Western Propane Gass Association training Mendocino County (CA) firefighters on how to handle a burning propane tank. Do not attempt to stop a propane fire with a hose or extinguisher- call 911 immediately and tell the dispatcher if the tank is venting (blowing flame in the air or away from the tank).
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February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
As far as no SCBA.. …
As far as no SCBA…NFPA 1403 states that SCBA is to be worn for ALL live fire training including Propane Fires! I have had pump operations go wrong and the pressure drop on one line due to some debris in the lines. This caused the fire to roll around the low pressure side and damage the gear on that crew. If not for SCBA and proper PPE, there would have been 3 or 4 firefighters and myself in a hospital. WEAR THE RIGHT GEAR AND WEAR THE RIGHT GEAR RIGHT!
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
no scba…idiots
no scba…idiots
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
Im glad clubkid43 …
Im glad clubkid43 isnt on my crew, saving someones because theyre to foolish to protect themselves doesnt sit well with me.
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
amen
amen
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
second Q; when the …
second Q; when the relief valve “relives” could it propel the 20lbs tank (like a rocket)?
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
to any FFers here;i …
to any FFers here;i had a deck fire (check my utube account for vid) the deck had 2 -20lbs tanks that did not rupture one butane bottle did.Q is:what happens when a relief valve blows in a fire?is it a column of flame? i had 2 cast aluminuim grills on deck that the aluminuim turned to powder as did the aluminum siding. a standard wood (deck)fire would not do this and my only answer id the tanks torched the grills in a propane column.
view my video page to see the damage
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
hello there… is …
hello there… is this one firefighter reaching through the wall to shut that valve off and how he heck is he doing that?? would that not provide a hole for the propane to rush through and cause serious damage? sir if you dont mind me asking you these questions it would be greatly appreciated if you could reply to these. where are you instructing? i respect what you wrote.. please take care. d
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
I am an Industrial …
I am an Industrial Rescue and Fire instructor, and if I EVER saw any of my guys training in this manner without respiratory protection on… I would skid them off site in a heart beat. “Controled” atmosphere or not… accidents do and will happen if ALL procedures are not followed at all times. If you wouldnt work without it. You shouldn’t train without it.
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
Only way to keep …
Only way to keep that relief from operating is by straight-streaming the tank upon approach until it cools down enough for it to stop, then you advance while gradually shifting to a fog pattern to cover the tank and keep the heat off. They completely left that part out and started on fog. But then again, I’m not too sure if I would really want to actually fight one; I don’t want to be near it when it BLEVEs.
I must say, though, when I went through, it was a very impressive prop nonetheless.
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
It concerns me that …
It concerns me that there appears to be no concern about the relief vale operating. In our training we don’t let crews approach until the master streams have the tank cooled and the relief valve shuts off.
A venting relief valve is a bad sign!
Warren
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
That is a …
That is a semi-controlled fire. Yes, there is a valve to turn the gas flow off. But you said it best yourself, “in a real life incident you would have scba’s on” What is that they are doing, a cartoon show? Looks pretty real life to me. And remember: train like you play and you will play like you train. And I am giving it a rest and moving on. I just want firefighters to stay safe and not get hurt at the hands of a shotty instructor.
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
first of all that …
first of all that is a controled fire..there is a button to turn it off and turn it on you should know that having instructed class’s obviously in a real life incident you would have scba’s on
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
I am a truck …
I am a truck Captain on a primary attack rescue pumper on a department with 98 full time firefighters. I have been in fire service for over 12 years and have instructed several classes. I can assure you failures do happen, no matter how much you test your pumps. The bottom line is, not putting on an SCBA for live fire training is simple laziness and a straight shot to get someone hurt or killed.
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
ok well how would …
ok well how would the hose line fail first of all…that’s why your rigs get pump tested, your hose gets hose tested once a year.correct me if I’m wrong.and the your fire dept should be testing hydrants…and also that why you have a backup line for incidents like that.and where are you a firemen if you even are a firemen agent…how long have u been a fireman and what qualifications do you have to judge instructors on how they run a class
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
What happens if the …
What happens if the hose lines fail and there is no “fresh air” as you call it? SCBA’s provide face protection and respiratory protection. Whoever was in charge of this training should find a job pushing a dust mop at Wal-Mart.
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
Well that’s real …
Well that’s real great since turn out gear provides 100 percent respiratory protection. Or are they wearing the new “Invisa-Breathe” from the “ThatsAlottaBS” company?
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
the wide fog …
the wide fog pattern brings fresh air past the attack team there reeally is no need for scba’s.. and there still wear there full turnout gear so even if the fire for through the fog pattern they are still protected
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
well shoot my …
well shoot my friends are in that most likely. lol privett and my “bro” kyle moore. am i rite?
well thats pretty bad A
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
Im a kentucky state …
Im a kentucky state fire instructor and we teach this class often we start out with a strait stream and widen the pattern as we approach by useing our way it forces the flames and heat away from the attack crews more than the way these guys do it we always use scba and have instructors on safty lines on both sides of the attack crews
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
the force of the …
the force of the water is pushing the toxic gases away
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
y arent they …
y arent they wearing SCBA’s?
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
You dont aproach …
You dont aproach the LP tank with the relief valve blowing off. You cool the tank with a straight stream till it stops the approach with a fog pattern.
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
PPE everytime! …
PPE everytime! Always! No Exceptions!
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
Good. They’ll …
Good. They’ll probably get away with another 60 attacks. It just takes one bad day. I’ve seen those bad days. Wearing PPE around any fire? Then wear the SCBA.
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
I watched them do …
I watched them do this probably 60 times and not once did the fire “easily slip through the protective fog.” BTW- I am a reporter, not a firefighter, I simply posted this because I thought it was imporessive. At every other training I have covered, they use the full apparatus, but the WPGA trainers (who do this all the time) didn’t recomend SCBA…